FEC Chairman Thomas Keynote Transcript

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We could also subtitle this, "Brad Smith was right."

Thanks to RS'er Alex Kowalski, we have a transcript of FEC Chairman Scott Thomas's remarks from the Politics Online Conference at George Washington University on Friday, March 11, 2005. The video is available here, and the full text is below the fold.

To get a feel for how seriously Chairman Thomas takes us, consider this:

"Again, no distinction was made between ‘Saddam Hussein Missile Corporation’ coordinating with a candidate to pay for a $1 million dollar hard-hitting video clip sent to every voter in every battleground state, and, on the other hand, ‘Billy Blogger,’ wearing his Lyndon LaRouche volunteer badge and toiling for hours late at night in his basement...to post his well-reasoned diatribes on his website that cost no more than $25 bucks to create. "

TRANSCRIPT of FEC Chairman Scott Thomas at the Politics Online Conference – Friday, March 11, 2005

I was not in a politically hot state this past election. I live in D.C., so actually I was not in a state at all, but that’s another speech. [laughter, applause] The point is, I wasn’t getting much of the political traffic. Moreover, as an FEC commissioner, I don’t get on a lot of uh, lists. So I’m probably less literate about the state of Internet politics than activists in say, Ohio or Florida. But, to turn a phrase, I’m from the government and I’m here to learn.

I’m also largely here to serve as a “pooper scooper” of sorts for my friend and colleague, uh, I’m calling him “Loose Lips Brad Smith.” [laughter] He dropped quite a ...pile...the other day. [laughter] Uh, I gather that ah, Commissioner Mason yesterday cleaned up a little bit but I...I hope to clear away even more of what I will call...”fecal material” perhaps, [deadpanning] F.E.C.a.l.??? [laughter, groans]

[Cough.] Why is there a whiff of controversy? Well, it’s because after BCRA, the FEC as I see it was sloppy in crafting regulations that dealt with Internet activity. Admittedly under a lot of time pressure, the FEC adopted uh, an overly broad, blanket exception for all Internet activity -- no matter who was paying for it, or how much was spent. It allowed party committees to spend unlimited amounts of soft money on production and consultants for flashy video clip attack ads sent to millions via listservs. It allowed corporations, unions, ‘Saddam Hussein Missile Corporation,’ you name it...to spend unlimited amounts of prohibited source money on the same kinds of things, uh, in..same kinds of things in complete coordination with benefiting candidates. That’s right -- the candidates could supervise production of the video clips and pick the addresses uh that..uh, it, that would receive it. And the corporations, the unions, etcetera, could pick up the entire tab – no matter how big.

Now how does that square with the restrictions at the heart of McCain-Feingold?

The answer is: It doesn’t.

No surprise, then, that the backers of the legislation sued the pants off the FEC. No surprise that the judge said: [southern accent] “Whooooaaa, there pardner...you kinda messed up! You whittled some mighty big loopholes....you gotta go back and redo them ‘thar regs!!”

The judge didn’t say to clamp down on bloggers. Didn’t say, “...take away everyone’s home computers if they want to send emails about candidates.” The judge just told the FEC the obvious:

“Your regs., that totally exempt even high-cost Internet-based communications from the party soft-money rules and the Coordinated Communication rules, are way too broad. They run counter to the statute Congress just passed. Go fix it.”

Now, there were three commissioners who agreed with our general counsel that we should not appeal the Judge’s decision, and instead that we should take this opportunity to repair the regulations and do a better job.

Now, I, I don’t want to get too technical with you...but the FEC was dealing with statutory provisions that applied the party soft-money restrictions to [gestures air quotes] “public communications.” I love air quotes, don’t you? I always liked to...wonder..wha..what would’ve happened in the Clinton deposition if he had said something like, you know, “..it depends on what the meaning of ‘is’... is.” [groans, chuckles] Probably wouldn’t have made a difference.

But anyway, the, the term we’re dealing with is, “Public Communications.” This term was itself defined in BCRA to reach..quote “communications by means of broadcast, cable...” [aside] ...we’ve got a bit of a hum here, is that guy...bugging you guys? I don’t know what I need to do. Heh, is someone trying to tell me something? [laughter] I’m standing about as far back as I think I can.

Anyway, we’re dealing with a definition about ah, public communications, and it covers, uh: Communication by means of broadcast, cable, satellite, newspaper, magazine, outdoor advertising facility, mass mailing, or telephone banks to the general public, or any other form of general public political advertising.

Now, how a mass mailing consisting of a dollar per letter could qualify as a form of general public advertising, but a party consultant’s Internet-based email to millions would not, is beside me. How an ad in the Laramie Daily Boomerang, out in Wyoming, could qualify, but a glossy video clip sent to a listserv going to a hundred times as many people would not, again, escapes me. But, the commission, really, I don’t think took enough time to make those kinds of distinctions. Uh, we didn’t try to distinguish between individual, volunteer party activists working on their home computers, and paid, professionally-prepared party epistles, uh, that uh, are very effective when party committees or, say, corporations want to distribute them widely.

The FEC adopted what I’m calling kind of a “blunderbuss exemption” for everything Internet-related. Then, when the FEC got to the new coordination regulations required by BCRA, it decided to incorporate the same “public communication” analysis used in the party soft-money rules. And that meant the same “blunderbuss exemption” for Internet communications was applied. Again, no distinction was made between ‘Saddam Hussein Missile Corporation’ coordinating with a candidate to pay for a $1 million dollar hard-hitting video clip sent to every voter in every battleground state, and, on the other hand, ‘Billy Blogger,’ wearing his Lyndon LaRouche volunteer badge and toiling for hours late at night in his basement...to post his well-reasoned diatribes on his website that cost no more than $25 bucks to create.

Now...if the medium was internet, the Coordinated Communication regs. simply weren’t going to touch it.

Now, when the FEC got to its disclaimer regulations, at least it started making some distinctions. It required that political committees reporting to the FEC include a disclaimer on their website saying who paid for the communication involved, and in most cases, whether it was authorized by some federal candidate. Further, for any persons making express advocacy or contribution solicitation communications, unsolicited emails to more than 500 recipients had to contain a disclaimer, saying who paid, and whether a federal candidate had provided authorization. And while the latter would have picked up a, an..would have picked up angry individuals working in their home, uh, on their computer sending ‘Redefeat’ Bush emails to a list of more than 500 friends who had never given any prior indication they wanted to be on any such list, in practical terms, that doesn’t happen very often. Even my very, very angry aunt Betty, an activist since the McGovern campaign doesn’t have 500 friends on her list. And for bloggers: Most won’t qualify as a political committee that must have a website disclaimer. And even those that display express advocacy or solicitation messages can escape disclaimer rules by working with a listserv where the recipients have indicated that they want to be on such lists.

But the basic point is that, in the disclaimer area at least, the FEC showed some perception of the types of practical distinctions that can and should be made when dealing with the intersection of the federal campaign finance laws and the internet.

So, now that the ball is back in the FEC’s court, what is it likely to do in this rulemaking? Well, there surely will be some consideration of regulating paid party corporate and union political advertising using the internet. This means that state and local party soft-money restrictions of BCRA and the Coordinated Communication rules, most likely will apply to the direct costs of pr..professionally prepared video clips that have easily ascertainable costs. On the other extreme, I doubt there will be any interest in treating what individuals do on their home computers as a coordinated communication. There is a very clear statutory exception for home volunteer activity, and the FEC has applied that consistently for several years now.

Now, I hope by the way, that there is some way to extend the “home volunteer” allowance to persons who may not be technically ‘volunteering’ for a candidate or party. Right now, there is no clear exception from the independent expenditure reporting rules for persons engaging in independent express advocacy activity. They technically have to report independent expenditures if the cost exceeds $250 bucks. Now, it’s peculiar to me that the FEC can regulate independent activity more than coordinated activity, but that’s kind of where we find ourselves, and I hope that we can repair that, that uh, that mess.

Now, as for bloggers: there are some “cute” questions, I would call them. Those who just work with home computers to post text, or add links will remain free from coordinated communication rules, I predict. But I have seen the stories about campaigns paying bloggers to run banner ads. Those payments probably are already being reported by the campaigns, and the bloggers probably can successfully argue that they’re just acting as small-scale commercial vendors with no FICA obligations. I’ve seen stories about campaigns simply paying bloggers to run favorable postings. Now, that gets close to the question of whether Armistead Williams stands to get even richer? Just kidding.

Seriously, that starts to drift between the blogger serving as a commercial vendor, and the blogger, on the other hand, becoming a [emphasis] political committee that must register and report its receipts and disbursements for federal election activity. That sounds pretty scary, I know, but the definition of political committee is:

“...a group that raises more than $1000 dollars in contributions for the purpose of influencing federal elections...or that spends more than $1,000 dollars in expenditures for the purpose of influencing a federal election.”

It’s a pretty broad definition. Now, mercifully the Supreme Court has uh, said that a group’s “major purpose” must be influencing elections before the FEC can regulate it as a political committee. Uh, so...most bloggers, I presume, will be able to avoid political committee status. But I have to say, it’s not a particularly clean area of law, and we may have to spend some energy looking at that ugly issue.

The disclaimer area for “non-political committee” bloggers still is governed by the statute which covers any form of political advertising that contains express advocacy or solicitation of federal election contributions. The FEC may explore whether some monetary cost threshold should apply, say, for websites or postings. This would allow bloggers, and those who post, and who know they have spent below the threshold, to avoid disclaimer obligations. The FEC will probably explore whether the current “more than 500 emails to unsolicited recipients” approach is functioning properly. As noted above, for bloggers that, that send messages to persons on a listserv where recipients have indicated that they want to be, uh, on a list, the current rule does not require a disclaimer.

So. I know there’s going to be lot of enthusiasm for exploring application of the media exemption to bloggers, or to internet-based news services. Uh, and I’m told I’m going to receive a letter to encourage me to look carefully at that issue today.

I was offered security by the way...and I...[laughter]...I, uh...[laughter] ...I tried to assure the folks at GW that that probably wouldn’t be necessary. Besides, I didn’t want to look quite as goofy as, say, Michael Jackson these days. [laughter]

But actually, I can’t wait to see the letter, and I can’t wait to see the legal analysis that uh, is contained in it. We have shown at the FEC a willingness to extend the media exemption to some internet-based news services. But this media exception inquiry will go to the question of: “What is a periodical publication?” and “What is a legitimate press function?” It will also get into: “What is news?”...“What is commentary?”...“What is editorial content?”

I hope that when we put proposed rules out for comment, we can get help on how to define these concepts so that we allow for press freedom, but without letting prohibited source funding creep through the door.

So, when the 24th of this month comes around, you’ll see what the FEC is thinking about in this area. We have this proposed rulemaking on the agenda. We’re planning to approve at that point a, a Notice of Proposed Rulemaking wherein we will seek comment. Uh, I assure you that we have not made up our minds on anything yet, and that there is no reason to assume gloom and doom. We recognize that the internet has the potential to convey information at little or no cost, and without the dangers that have led to the campaign finance restrictions. We also recognize that the regulations we adopt, if done sloppily, could lead to massive evasions of the prohibitions on party soft money and corporate and union resources in federal elections.

Final thought: Help us keep free speech, and clean politics.

Thanks.

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Boy! by PatHMV

If that doesn't confirm everything Smith said, I don't know what would.

He's right in one extent... it is ridiculuous to apply BRCA to TV, radio, and print communications, but not to internet communications. If Kos had published in the "real world" instead of the internet, those payments he took from Dean for technical consulting might have gotten him into serious trouble. And though I don't care for Kos' ideas, I sure believe he has a right to express them, without some bureaucrat or court deciding whether he had "coordinated" (i.e., had speech with, some campaign flunky, and I don't want the FEC wolves knocking on my door next.

Our battle right now should not be with the FEC. We need to devote our attention to Congress to make major amendments to this law. It's a travesty that the Supreme Court didn't strike it down as a blatant infringement of the First Amendment.

...for the blogging community has to be to teach the bureaucrats and politicans to understand the medium.  I work in politics in Washington and can tell you EMPHATICALLY that these folks don't understand the technology in the least.  This lack of understanding drives a great deal of bad policy, and it's something that the tech/IP/IT communities need to plug in and explain or you're going to get screwed, frankly.

Is there a lobbying organization for bloggers yet?  Shouldn't somebody create one and then try to get blogger or blogspot (I don't run a blog or understand the production end at all) to start campaigning for contributions and then do this thing right?  I know that the blogging community prides itself on lack of coordination, but it's going to take that kind of effort....

Oh wait!  Am I engaging in political activity above?  Oh heavens....

hc

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This lack of understanding drives a great deal of bad policy, and it's something that the tech/IP/IT communities need to plug in and explain or you're going to get screwed, frankly.

I worked for a long time at a law school.  See my previous post about Lawrence Lessig.  There is an immaturity and bombast that certain people in the tech/IP/IT "community" (if it could be called that) carry around with them like a chip on their shoulders, that translates into a brusque demeanor.  Sometimes they also lack the real  conversational and yes, empathetic skills that are absolutely essential when you're teaching (I won't use the term evangalizing, which I can't stand) people from a completely different field of expertise about technology.

You can't walk into a room full of law professors and try to act as though they are Epsilon-minus semimorons.  You may think that occasionally, but you have to learn to bite your tongue, swallow your pride, give them a hand, and suppress the dark, Hobbesian thoughts.  One of the reasons people at places like Stanford and Harvard have been so successful, I think, is because they don't try to "get in someone's face."

Instead, they explain, sometimes exceedingly patiently.  It can be a little painstaking if the person you're trying to explain technology to  doesn't understand the difference between a lookup table and a roundtable, but it pays enormous dividends if you can do it.

Henry by krempasky

Considering the energy and speed with which this coalition formed - almost literally overnight -- I think the notion of a c4 or similar specifically involved in the policy process is a much more likely thing than it would have been two weeks ago.

But my point is that I'm not sure whether, under BRCA as it exists today, it is legally possible for the FEC to craft regulations which would not subject bloggers to the same regulations placed on campaign participants using other mediums of communication. The chairman makes a solid point: why should we distinguish between paying someone to send out a million direct mail letters and paying someone to send out a million e-mails?

If I talk with a Bush campaign official about the campaign's strategy and tactics, then use my own money, or raise some money, and run an ad for Bush for President, then I have "coordinated" my expenditures with that campaign, and I'm going to get in trouble somehow. What's the difference whether I run that "ad" on TV, or do the same advocacy on my web site? Depending on the blog, both may reach the same number of people.

If the FEC drafts regulations which essentially subject the internet to an entirely different set of rules than, say, direct mail, another lawsuit will follow, and I suspect the court would look at McCain-Feingold and ask the same question I did: what difference does the medium make?

The fight is not with the FEC, the fight is with the law. Whether you amend the law to allow a large exemption for the internet (which will leave holes large enough to drive several trucks through), or whether you ditch the whole thing, can be debated later. But fixing the FEC is not going to fix the law, and the law is the problem.

I'll spare you the "I was silent when they came for..." lecture, but if the blogosphere seeks to protect only their own interests in this, that's exactly what we'll be guilty of. Why do we as bloggers have any greater right to speak our minds politically and reach thousands or millions of voters than somebody who does so through television or radio instead of the internet? Free speech is for everybody.

All at once by Thomas

We have two perfect examples:

(1) The complete unsuitability of any government agency to regulate the manner in which the elections that create that government are held, in a country in which free political speech is accorded, rightly or wrongly, second place among our Constitutional rights.

(2) The way that law flows into crevices where it did not exist before -- of all the perniciousness of McCain Feingold we all foresaw, no one really expected this. Because, if you think about it, this makes perfect sense. Speech has value, especially if it's used to cajole and persuade. Almost everything this guy said makes perfect sense in the context of the legal regime in which he operates.

Honestly, picking on this poor schmuck is not entirely fair. Given the law as written, I don't think he's saying anything wrong or objectionable.

That, of course, has nothing to do with the law itself. The law itself is a (sic) ass.

Unless you get BCRA repealed.

Seriously, what they propose makes perfect sense in the law as framed.

I'm from the old "Let the Internet Be Anarchy" school.  Granted, we were born before the advent of XXX, but that's another conundrum.

Okay, let's accept, merely for the hypothetical sake of an argument, that Blogs should be regulated as some sort of Shays-Meehan corporate PAC... thing.  Who should do it?  Preferably someone who understands the nature of political Blogs, the various kinds of people who operate them, the costs associated, the possible revenue streams, why what is linked.

I also want a regulator who can explain to me why the Average Visit Length on the sitemeter is a lot lower than could possibly be expected or accepted.  I can do that, but I don't write the regulations.  (I'd sooner be ripped to shred by rabid donkeys and spoon fed to Swedish vultures.)

Scott Thomas's vision of LaRouchies playing with their Atari 'puters in their several basements is dismissive from a guy who doesn't have the brain wattage to shine the shoes of half of those doing the thinking 'round these parts.

Okay, we've established that Thomas is not qualified to do... the thing.  Let's look at the thing, which now looks a lot like trying to regulate that which they cannot understand.  They're trying to fit a square peg into a round hole, which requires filling out A-1 Universal Form which always served well in the past but is totally useless when reality shifts a bit, let alone is turned on its side.

That's what blogs have done: they've turned information distribution on its side, on its head, and kicked it across the yard.  Political information and opinion has become fair game, to a fellow in a basement with pajamas on his head as well as to a maestro in a tux.

We're ahead of the bureaucrats, and those cats are ascared.

Get the hook, FEC Chairperson Scott so-called Thomas.

Yes, BCRA is a problem, which is why you need a carve-out in the new CFR law that Lott and McCain are working on.  But that's doable.  You just need to push the anarchists aside and get smart about pooling resources.

Henry,

Are you saying it's ok for the government to hinder political speech of people who distribute fliers and radio ads, but not ok to hinder political speech of people who distribute posts on the internet? Let's just carve out an exception and say that the government can't violate the free speech of this bunch over here, these internet people, but we'll go ahead and hinder the non-internet people from speaking their mind?

I am saying by HenryClay

Fight the battles you can win.  Create inconsistent carveouts if necessary and screw broadbased consistency.  We'll never kill BCRA, but we might save parts of our political culture from its wrath.

Fair enough... by PatHMV

I certainly believe in picking your battles. But I disagree with you that we can draw distinctions that the public will understand and accept between distributing a campaign message by posting on a web page and distributing it by direct mail or on radio or TV. It's not just the inconsistency, it is the impossibility of drawing any real distinctions excetp "the internet is just different", which I don't think will last that long as the internet becomes more and more a part of our daily lives, and regular people start watching TV and movies on it.

zero barriers to entry means that average citizens are immediately empowered to participate in the political system, without regard to the evil big money.

In that case, the argument to the public is clear - a free internet is the antidote to the problems in politics, period.

 
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